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Thursday, January 27, 2005


Against torture

posted by Aziz P. at Thursday, January 27, 2005 permalink View blog reactions
I oppose Alberto Gonzales for Attorney General. To nominate him is to validate his position that torture is acceptable and that the Geneva Conventions are non-binding, at the President's discretion. I do not believe that embracing human decency ever takes an "option off the table" as others have argued - for such pragmatism, bereft of principle, leads America to moral equivalence with those we seek to depose.

Gonzales must not be rewarded for his role in eroding our moral high ground. Accountability for Abu Ghraib. No to Alberto for AG.

Aside: I hope that the Democrats hold the line against Gonzales. I am especially hoping not to be disappointed by Hillary Clinton on this matter, though since she's not my senator there's precious little say I have in the matter. Hillary voted for Rice, which did not disappoint me as much as it did others, but confirming Gonzales would be a bitter pill to swallow. Not a deal-breaker, but bitter nontheless. How will Kerry vote? How will Bayh?


Gee, I wonder what Hillary will do? She'll do whatever is good for her own personal ambitions I'm sure. That seems to be her track record so far. I hope you can convince me otherwise Aziz. I'm open about it but just don't see the logic in reaching into our past again when there is so much to look forward to in a future that doesn't include another war over the Clinton's and their place in history. Isn't it time to move on despite her popularity as a POP culture figure.

I know there's a big discussion going on about Hillary bashing, but I'm glad it is happening now instead of later. A lot of us need some convincing that we need to fight for the Clintons again (and lets remember that NO MATTER WHAT you get two for the heavy price of one).

Hope you're doing well Aziz.


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1) i think gonzales is bad news. not only has he promoted some rather sketchy views on torture, etc., he's not intellectual of high caliber, rather, he's been promoted because of political loyalty.

2) can the democratic party oppose him? he's a latino who has had decent relations with the national advocacy organizations for his community. the fact is he's not really *that* conservative, just loyal.


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